đ” How Suno poses as a third-party to try and hype its product
Is it wrong? Not technically... but it certainly suggests desperation.
Yesterday, our Head of Growth here at MU, Charlie Biles, flagged an ad heâd been served for Suno, everyoneâs favourite generative AI music creation platform.
It looked like this:
As you can see, this is not an ad from Suno itself; the company has instead decided to present as some kind of music editorial brand/website, thus presenting this as third party hype for its platform.
Oh and just to prove that, you can browse the companyâs ads here, and you can see that the owner/operator of this Waveform Watch brand is Suno itself:
With my cynical marketing hat on, passing yourself off as a third party of some kind is pretty clever; it basically suggests that someone (in this case, a brand youâve not heard of, but which presents as authoritative) is considering this product worthy of your time. Psychologically thatâs crafty, as it bestows credibility on something that you might otherwise have been dismissive of.
However that is also the point to keep in mind here: when products are great, they have far less need to hoodwink you into validation. They simply sell themselves. Has Apple ever run an ad from a fictional brand, espousing the merits of its products? Of course not.
Ultimately then, one might argue this only reflects the desperation of Suno to drive adoption, ideally (one imagines) to push up user numbers and therefore paint positive pictures for investors.
About those investors⊠As each day passes, AI moves closer to an extremely grim bubble status. Not just any bubble either; one currently rated as being seventeen times the size of the dotcom bubble, and four times the size of the US subprime mortgages nightmare. Over $1.2 trillion of high grade debt is now tied to AI. Yesterday the Bank of England voiced concerns about the way this is headed, and just this morning, JP Morganâs head was warning of a US stock market fall, commenting that AI was âappearing stretchedâ with an increasing risk of âa sharp correctionâ:
âThe way I look at it is AI is real, AI in total will pay off,â he said.
âJust like cars in total paid off, and TVs in total paid off, but most people involved in them didnât do well.â
He added some of the money being invested in AI would âprobably be lostâ.
I agree on this point; I donât feel that AI is a complete dud. Within Motive Unknown we are finding amazing uses for it (and it has to be said, Notion remains the only company I am seeing deliver truly useful, applicable AI within its product - take note Google and Slack!), and beyond that I keep running into great ways AI can help with productivity and creativity, particularly within music via products like the Synplant synthâs incredible genopatcher, or RoExâs amazing Mix Check Studio platform, something I am constantly making use of in my own music work.
This piece from The Oatmeal might be one of the most nuanced and brilliant takes on the whole struggle with AI and art, and articulates the issues in a manner Iâve thus far failed to master. Make time to read it.
However this view that AI should be all-pervasive is where the issues creep in, and generative music is - to me anyway - one such example.
Suno might step up to argue otherwise, but from where I am sat, the very nature of its advertising reflects that it is having a tough job selling this prospect in to people, and - as this threat of a bubble looms - it might be running out of road to prove its worth to investors.
Have a great day,
D.
đ¶ Listening to âHip Hop Electro 21â, (or is it just âHip Hop 21â, as Discogs suggests? The artwork confuses on that point!), one of the legendary Street Sounds comps from the eighties. This particular instalment is from the period when hip hop was almost exclusively a funk break, often slowed down, with some thick 808 bass drops over it, and then the MC. Raw, heavy and brilliant. Case in point? Sir Fresh & DJ Criticalâs âSir Vereâ. Play LOUD and thank me later.
đ Reading âTaylor Swift fans are âfed upâ with her âcapitalistâ approach to musicâ. I could only read it thinking âthank god - FINALLY!â, given I have written much on Swiftâs approach to juicing the maximum possible amount from her fans.
đș Watching âYouTube is shutting down my channelâ by Davie504. Davie is a very popular bass-playing YouTuber, and it seems he too is now suffering at the hands of spurious copyright claims against his work. Weâve seen all manner of creators flag this issue of late (Rick Beato being the largest, I suspect), and it feels like weâre moving to a point where YouTube really needs to address this somehow.
Remix, anyone?
On the basis I tend to assume it will be met with mass ambivalence, I tend to forget to mention my own musical work, which is pretty daft when Iâm actually quite proud of it. Hereâs a remix that dropped recently of South African-based producer Custodian. Reggaeton house vibes anyone?
This also popped up on my feed last week:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sunomusic_grammy-award-winning-producer-rance-1500-activity-7377785972744306688-des8?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAACpkAMB7SJEHIwosvYFhQ71-SO8ZBem7Bg
In addition to the dubious advertising practices you mention above it seems like Suno are also trying to undo some of the damage from that catastrophic interview that Mikey Shulman gave earlier this year.
âIt takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of practice, you need to get really good at an instrument or really good at a piece of production software. I think the majority of people donât enjoy the majority of the time they spend making music.â He said.
Now he's cosying up to one of those musicians who "got really good at an instrument" grinning goofily like a kid that just won a competition.
The technology is clearly incredible but brand trust is zero in my eyes. Like you - I smell desperation.
This is a FANTASTIC article! Who wrote this, and did I find you or visa versa?